What does HackerNews think of llama-dl?

Your philosophical argument is interesting, but what the op was saying was one of the linked repos used in this repo is inaccessible due to DMCA: https://github.com/shawwn/llama-dl

So while what you say may be true the DMCA seems to have worth for these orgs because they can get code removed by the host, who is uninterested in litigating, and the repo owner likely is even less capable of litigating the DMCA.

Unfortunately as a tool of fear and legal gridlock DMCA has shown itself to be very useful to those with ill intent.

>> The leak appears to be essentially just weights. The copyrightability of weights is the central and perhaps only issue.

You’re wrong, there’s a material and significant amount of copyrighted material related to LLaMa which is critical to running it. If you’re so confident it’s legal, feel free to link to a guide on how to LLaMa that uses the only materials originally provided by Facebook so it’s possible to assess the system’s dependencies on legally protected materials. Next, feel free to link to build that is not bound to any property claims by Facebook.

>> If you didn't sign the contract or induce the breach then it isn't relevant

Again, this is not true, that’s property laundering; see above comments, repeating points I have already made will not add to this discussion. If anything is unclear, let me know, but claim that party is not bound to an agreement related to legally protected property (not referring to the weights) if they launder it is obviously invalid, since if it was, no property for which the terms of use were separable from the property itself would be enforced; again, party would receive a cease and desist with a copy of the terms of use.

>> That's a non-argument. Everything is ultimately up to the courts despite the letter of the law.

No, if a legally it’s material. There is a massive difference between clean-room reverse engineering a systems from property that’s free from any claims — and referencing materials that are subject to claims to build a new system. Further, it is my position it is impossible to do a clean-room build in this situation. As a result, the only way anyone would have any confidence that a new system was free from material claims is as a result of a ruling.

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Beyond the prior points above, worth noting Facebook has already begun taking legal actions against developers related to LLaMa leak, so it’s clear they have no intention of releasing the weight for commercial use. Here’s an example:

https://github.com/shawwn/llama-dl

Sure. You can get models with magnet link from here https://github.com/shawwn/llama-dl/

To get running, just follow these steps https://github.com/ggerganov/llama.cpp/#usage