What does HackerNews think of pinecone?

Hmm, it feels like a CRDT + any overlay network (This is probably how you use tor or IPFS p2p) would get you there. Matrix p2p is developing pinecone [1] as an overlay network, which seems very aligned with your needs, though, as you say, it is less mature.

Well, pinecone/yggdrasil/cjdns/tor are only part of the question, as they provide encrypted E2E connectivity. You still have to build on top of it to handle groups and lazy loading. They do solve routing though, so you can just try to send packets to every group member (like Matrix does). For a more efficient implementation, it would be nice to have multicast/unicast integrated in the overlay network at the protocol level. API-wise, it could be made as simple as sharing a private key with a group: multiple peers with the same address would then receive the same packets.

In any case, I feel like working together with Matrix (/new vector) on pinecone would help both of you.

[1]: https://github.com/matrix-org/pinecone

Thanks for checking in!

Any thoughts on matrix-p2p aka pinecone which is now being developed against dendrite? Any thoughts on "p2p-ifying" Conduit in the foreseeable future?

https://github.com/matrix-org/pinecone

https://archive.fosdem.org/2022/schedule/event/matrix_p2p_pi...