Is it a coincidence this came up on HN at the same time Telegram is getting dissed on HN? Can't help but think it was coordinated...which is sad for HN

People don't like Telegram because it's a centralized thing and maybe not trustworthy. I'm not sure if I'd trust the Telegram founders, and their commitment to open source seems questionable to me (no server, outdated clients).

People advocate for Signal because it's arguably the least offensive of the available e2e options. Also the founder for Signal has a long history of doing good work in this area.

> People don't like Telegram because it's a centralized thing and maybe not trustworthy.

Just like Signal.

> I'm not sure if I'd trust the Telegram founders, and their commitment to open source seems questionable to me

Meanwhile Moxie Marlinspike's opposition to free software is evident. You use the client he dictates or fuck off. There's closed source software that respects freedom more than Signal.

Can't I build and use this if I want? It looks very open, but I haven't tried building my own client.