For this reason, I just cancelled my nest doorbell order. I will gladly share access with the police if the situation warrants it but I don't accept that Google (or any company) should be able to make that decision without my consent.

1984 was overly optimistic about people, government didn't even need to enforce putting spying devices in homes. Instead a huge chunk opted in voluntarily with doorbell cameras, Alexa, and other smart devices

There's absolutely nothing wrong with the technology, and it obviously makes peoples lives better to have it. I think the issue is that there are only a handful of vendors that happily operate like the monopolies they are and provide you with zero differentiation or choice within the market.

The government isn't particularly interested in ending this problem either, I suspect this is due to a combination of industry capture and intelligence agency interest in these products.

You say there is nothing wrong, but then go on to list things that are in fact wrong.

You think the problems are a mistake or otherwise something to be "fixed" the products are working exactly as both the government and the manufacturers want them to, and it has nothing to do with "intel agencies"

Having your entire life "cloud connected" and them complaining about privacy, is like opening a window then complaining that the house is drafty.

I love home automation, not a single component of my home automation is cloud connected, if more people would accept, learn and support non-cloud systems, services and protocols everyone would be better off

> I love home automation, not a single component of my home automation is cloud connected, if more people would accept, learn and support non-cloud systems, services and protocols everyone would be better off

  • better if you could please provide links to how-to starter guides on how to do this

  • I share your concerns, but one obvious huge drawback to a home system that's 100% off-cloud is security camera footage: how do you prevent a violent home invasion or burglary where the first thing they do is at gunpoint force you to show them where your server is so they can disconnect/destroy it? Not having a solution could easily be a $50,000 mistake or worse. Perhaps you just live in an area where violent home invasions are not a regular occurrence. It's not just about porch pirates stealing packages, or thermostats.
>>how do you prevent a violent home invasion or burglary where the first thing they do is at gunpoint force you to show them where your server is so they can disconnect/destroy it?

I would love to see a source of this being a common tactic of thieves, home invasion in general are extremely rare as most thieves are cowards and want to attack soft targets i.e unoccupied homes. Then of the home invasions I am aware of, I know of ZERO where the "first thing they did" was force the homeowner to show them the location of the storage server.

Even if that is a "common occurrence" which I doubt, what stops a home invader from cutting off the internet before the attack? and many of these cloud connected cams are wifi, there are several very easy attack vectors to knock them offline. I think your strawman is weak and easily defeated in a number of ways

>>> better if you could please provide links to how-to starter guides on how to do this

Some of the Technology I use, or sources I visit to look for new things

https://www.home-assistant.io/

https://unraid.net/

https://blueirissoftware.com/

https://tailscale.com/

https://old.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/

https://github.com/awesome-selfhosted/awesome-selfhosted