> The entire frontend was only ~75KB, and ~32KB after gzip!

i think this is the pull quote. the whole app (https://sveltekit-todo.ameo.dev/) with complete with drag and drop and crud, comes in at 59-75% the size of the base runtime of React (7k, 3k gzip) + React-Dom (121k, 39.4k gzip).

and js bundle size isnt everything - Svelte wins on other developer experience factors as well, and is just missing ecosystem as OP noted.

richeyryan

One thing to be very mindful of is that is a very limited application. The footprint of the various frameworks changes based on how big your application gets as shown here[1]. Swyx, I think you are probably aware of Ryan's article but it's worth contextualising for others who might not be familiar. The more components you have the more Svelte loses its edge.

[1]https://dev.to/this-is-learning/javascript-framework-todomvc...

swyx

yes am aware, but also in any realistic scenario, code splitting comes in well before the crossover point where that even remotely comes into question. this has been independently verified twice now:

https://twitter.com/sveltesociety/status/1301168598988107776...

https://svelte-scaling.acmion.com/

https://github.com/halfnelson/svelte-it-will-scale

sveltekit has further opportunities for whole-app optimization but honestly given this research i lost interest bc its more than good enough