> Rust is easy to learn. For seasoned C++ programmers, Rust is easy to learn. When they first start out, Rust learners usually spend most of their time making sense of ownership and lifetime. Even if they don't explicitly express these concepts in code, experienced C++ engineers always keep these two concepts in mind when programming in C++.

Finally somebody understands this.

I disagree.

Rust is not difficult because of lifetimes, it just gets in the way of freely prototyping what you want.

This situation is slowly improving with the compiler getting better and better.

Then there is some annoying macro usage. Some Rust code looks truly alien.

gpderetta

>Rust is not difficult because of lifetimes, it just gets in the way of freely prototyping what you want.

I'm not a rust programmer, but I guess that's an issue if you come from a dynamic language, not from c++.

pdimitar

Yeah, sadly it is. With e.g. Elixir I can literally get into a REPL and prototype my solution in minutes, right there on the spot, and then just copy a few lines from it and have the solution be 90% done (minus tests, of course).

With Go and Rust I have to make a dedicated function somewhere and then have it be called after starting the program. Ain't exactly rocket science but the difference in time to do it and the convenience is still very stark.

I love working with Rust for the stability and speed it gives me but the value proposition and daily coding flow are VERY different compared to a dynamic language. With Elixir I am mostly just brain-dumping and stuff happens extremely quickly and fluidly, with Rust I kind of sigh and accept that the next 10 minutes I'll just be writing and writing. Might even zone out and make a dumb mistake because I have to spend more keystrokes and more time to do something I'll do in a minute in Elixir.

Maybe it's time to look for snippets support in my editor. Or start asking ChatGPT for them.

sitkack

While not Elixir good, the evcxr python notebook plugin gets you 50% of the way there.

https://depth-first.com/articles/2020/09/21/interactive-rust...

https://github.com/google/evcxr

The other option is to use the playground, https://play.rust-lang.org/?version=stable&mode=debug&editio...