Congratulations to the Debian team on their new release! I will certainly be upgrading to it soon enough. Just for fun, I downloaded the ISO shortly after it went up and recorded my first impressions of using it on the happy path with the default GNOME environment. I would consider myself a technical user, but I use GNOME rarely and am not familiar with it personally.

* I didn't notice anything out of place with the Wayland switch. I haven't tested suspend/resume/hibernate/external monitors yet though. Personally, I won't be using Wayland on my main machine once I update that as I'm a CWM user, and Wayland support probably isn't every going to happen for that.

* My user account wasn't added to the sudo group by default, and using `su` broke something with PATH (/sbin wasn't in PATH after running `su`).

* GNOME apparently does not support configuring multiple wifi adapters, which was a problem since I had intended to use a USB adapter to download the nonfree drivers for my internal adapter, but GNOME did not have a menu to configure them separately.

* The problems that GNOME 3.X has always had continue to be present -- chiefly the UI scale is too large on low-res screens (the machine I was testing with has a 1366x768 display), and graphics performance continues to disappoint (animations stutter very noticeably on the "search" screen for example, this was on a 2nd gen mobile i7).

* The much-touted software center seemed to have several polish issues. The first time I launched it it threw a bunch of inscrutable errors and didn't work until I re-booted the machine. It still threw inscrutable errors, but worked after this. Lists of software would take 60s+ to download (render? not sure what part was slowing it down).

From the perspective of a technical user, I don't care about any of these. They either affect software I don't use, or could be fixed easily enough. However, if the objective is to support non-technical users who don't have the knowledge/time/interest to troubleshoot, I feel that this release falls short.

For reference, the hardware used to test was a ThinkPad X220 with a 2nd gen i7, 12GB RAM, and an SSD.

> Personally, I won't be using Wayland on my main machine once I update that as I'm a CWM user, and Wayland support probably isn't every going to happen for that.

I've been thinking about this myself, as I use a handful of programs which I am unwilling to give up but which Wayland will probably never properly support (intentionally; I'm fond of recording and playing back arbitrary input events, which Wayland has helpfully blocked for security reasons). My reading of the docs is that it's possible to run Wayland+xwayland as, effectively, a complete X server... well, it's not even a drop-in replacement, it's just an X server that happens to be implemented differently. So I think that if/when Xorg starts to become problematic to continue using, I can just swap it out for xwayland running in root window mode, and then run my X window manager and programs on top. Might need to mess with environment variables to mask Wayland so nothing tries to use it directly.

Anybody else have thoughts/plans on the future of X if Wayland really does take over?

I have been thinking about this for a few years at least (happy i3wm user).

I am looking at moving to Sway https://github.com/swaywm/sway (drop in replacement) at some point as it seems the development is really healthy. sircmpwn (Drew DeVault) has done a lot of really nice contribution to the FOSS community, in particular wlroots https://github.com/swaywm/wlroots I also thoroughly enjoy reading his blog https://drewdevault.com (articles from there often get posted here) there has been many a time I've read something he's written and thought "hear hear" in my mind.

It is also impacting my purchasing choices in regard to going for AMDGPU instead of NVIDIA for my next system that I plan to buy in a few months (mostly waiting for 3rd party Navi cards at this point).