Occasionally while waiting for npm install to finish downloading, I think about how there are websites like http://www.urbandead.com/ which is probably a single 20k line perl script and mysql server running on a single box with 12 years of uptime that somehow manage to get along just fine with no javascript and apparently no input from their owners.

When I started doing webdev 8 years ago you shipped a recentish copy of jQuery, maybe jQuery UI if you were feeling fancy and that contained pretty much every library function you needed. Now we NPM install thousands upon thousands of modules to get by.

These days, browsers have tons of library features baked into them - but with APIs so obtuse and difficult to use you have to install another library to make them usable.

Last week at work I had a 2 hour meeting where we tried to work out how to ship the 2MB of JS our website apparently needs to clients without Google Lighthouse penalising us.

I don't know what to do with any of these thoughts but they often make me want to quit and take up a profession that doesn't involve computers like blacksmithing :/

It's pretty crazy. I have just about the exact same experience I'd say. On personal projects I'm moving back towards straight CSS, Vanilla JS (maybe I'll use jQuery if they get more complicated, they're very bare bones at the moment), and server generated HTML with Django templates.

Web Development seems to move at this incredible pace. I also started just about 8 years ago and I've gone through jQuery, Angular 1, Backbone, React, React with Classes, React with Hooks.

And even the tiniest project I do with NPM ends up being hundreds of megs on disk locally. I was cleaning my harddrive recently, MomentJS is _over 100mbs_ cloned from GitHub, I don't even know if I actually did an NPM install in there.

Material UI was _nearly a gig_. I'm assuming there are assets in there somewhere.

Meanwhile we have really neat improvements in CSS and HTML that I want to go and use but I'm to busy learning how to do CSS in my JavaScript, and validation in my JavaScript. Reinventing accessibility by deploying ever more bloated projects filled with bugs and inconsistencies.

I wonder if we'll see a gradual return to less complicated stacks as people realize a lot of work can be accomplished pretty reasonably with a lot less and a greater reliance on the browsers to do a fair amount of water carrying.

I'm not sure... but I have to get back to learning how to create APIs in GraphQL ;-).

There's nothing wrong with Vanilla JS and jQuery, but if you need more interactivity, it's possible to use modern libraries like React (with htm [1]) or Vue without a compilation step, all with zero dependencies. The size of the libraries is only 10k to 20k bigger than jQuery.

If you need even less bytes, then Preact is also an option (also with htm [1]), and it clocks at around 3k + 400 bytes for htm.

If you're only targeting modern browsers with ES6 support you can even use `import from` statements.

[1] https://github.com/developit/htm