"Learning haskell" is pretty much in the same category as "Write that novel I've been thinking about."

Learning Haskell has been made much easier with Haskell Book[1]. Unlike LYAH, it actually has a ton of exercises and in-depth explanations so you understand the why behind things as you make progress. That said, it requires discipline to read through.

[1] http://haskellbook.com/

The big problem I've had with Haskell is that even after gaining a pretty good understanding of the language (including monads and such) I still can't fathom how to do anything real with it.

Exercises are great and all, but once I try to go past exercises, I start getting lost in layers of monad transformers, and I struggle to figure out the "right" way to do anything. It just feels like there are all these layers of abstraction and complexity that are required for even simple applications, and I can't seem to reach the point where it all clicks for me and becomes manageable.

Reading the TOC and chapter notes for that book, I'm not convinced it'll help me. Even the "final project" at the end of the book is described as "a little weird, but small". I don't need more weird, small examples, I need a full-fledged application! I've tried picking out random Haskell OSS apps and studying them, but without newbie-friendly documentation to walk me through the code, I find it very hard to follow what's happening....

Bonsoir, allow me to introduce Servant.

http://haskell-servant.readthedocs.io/en/stable/index.html

Servant allows you to write a type that describes a server/API, and automatically derives a specification for it. You can then write handlers for the different API endpoints, and it will only compile if every endpoint is correctly handled. That includes content types, status codes, and so on, everything is verified, and things are often derived for you. All (de)serialization to/from JSON is automatic (although you can write your own instances if you want your JSON to look a certain way).

For example, from the Servant docs:

    type API = "position"  :> Capture "x" Int :> Capture "y" Int :> Get  '[JSON] Position
          :<|> "hello"     :> QueryParam "name" String           :> Get  '[JSON] HelloMessage
          :<|> "marketing" :> ReqBody '[JSON] ClientInfo         :> Post '[JSON] Email
This is equivalent to an API that defines these three endpoints:

    GET  /position/:x/:y/      returns a Position object as JSON
    GET  /hello?name=whatever  returns a HelloMessage object as JSON
    POST /marketing            given a JSON request that represents a ClientInfo object,
                               returns an Email object as JSON
but the spec is code: code that the compiler can check for you!

You can then write functions of the following types

    handlePosition  :: Int -> Int   -> Handler Position
    handleHello     :: Maybe String -> Handler HelloMessage
    handleMarketing :: ClientInfo   -> Handler Email
where "Handler thing" effectively means that you can do something like write to a log or throw an exception while you return the thing. This will typecheck, and you have a server that must do what it says on the "tin", the tin being the API type above.

If you add a new API endpoint, and forget to write a Handler for it, you'll get to know. If you change the Position type to work with x, y, and z coordinates but forget to update your handlers, you'll get to know. If you'd like to also allow clients to request HTML instead for some endpoint, just change the '[JSON] to '[JSON,HTML]. The Haskell typesystem will make sure that someone requesting a text/html Content-Type doesn't get hit with a 500 or something.

Note the Maybe String there: if you wrote a handler for the /hello endpoint that had the type String -> Handler HelloMessage, Servant would complain: you're expecting a query parameter, which the client doesn't have to provide. This is in stark contrast to, say, the "NoneType has no attribute whatever" problems that one risks having to face with Django: if it compiles, it meets the spec.

Of course, static typing won't prevent you from responding to /hello with Lovecraft quotes.

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> I start getting lost in layers of monad transformers

Handler is actually a monad transformer, and it's a great first one: it's essentially[0]

  type Handler a = ExceptT ServantErr (ReaderT Config IO) a
if memory serves, which means that a "Handler a" is a computation that can

  * throw a ServantErr
  * read values from a Config object
  * perform IO actions (read files, make other network requests, log things, "fire missiles")
when run, returning a value of type a. Anecdotally, monad transformers never clicked for me until I started muddling through actually using them in code like this.

After a couple of months, you realise it's not too wrong to say you understand how to use them, and you slowly begin to be able to rely on the type system for support. Libraries like Servant are a great example of how this can really, really help. I stopped to think last week how similar it is to pair-programming with a really intelligent but sometimes obtuse friend who likes pointing out how "this doesn't follow from your assumptions", all the way from

> "Wait, but you can't add two books together."

to

> "What if someone PUTs to /login?"

which is what we had above, to

> "And what happens if I try to withdraw all my money exactly when the payment I've made to you is getting executed?"

(in this case, you discover the wonders of software transactional memory[1]). A better typesystem allows you to let the compiler handle more of the busywork that you'd originally have written tests or comments for.

It is sometimes confusing starting out (when one discovers that 3 isn't an Int, but a "Num a => a", for instance), but it gets better. Once you get past the Project Euler/"look ma, infinite lists!" stuff, "real" Haskell does have a tendency to make people underestimate how much they really know, but as I've discovered, taking the plunge reveals that one has progressed much farther than one thinks.

Also, #haskell on Freenode is one of the friendliest places I've encountered on the internet[0].

[0]: http://haskell-servant.readthedocs.io/en/stable/tutorial/Ser...

[1]: https://www.schoolofhaskell.com/school/advanced-haskell/beau...

[2]: Here's a hilarious example (NSFW language warning): https://gist.github.com/quchen/5280339

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Other stuff:

Corrode is a C-to-Rust converter written in literate Haskell (as in, it's like a blog post that you can compile and run, to give a slightly strained analogy).

https://github.com/jameysharp/corrode

webshit weekly actually "quoted" a previous HN comment of mine about it, in which I was falsely slandered: I'm not a Rust evangelist!

I wrote a small "script" to make tmux status bars a while back that was a good example of how fun "scripting"-style thing can be in Haskell.

https://github.com/mrkgnao/remux

And there's always XMonad!